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to happen? are we going to go up the fiscal cliff? isn't a mountain or a clip? somebody has to do something. >> everyone is fighting over tax increases and tax hikes. i get that. we need to find something they agree on. we need to take the pieces of the puzzle into them together. tracy: yes, they end up using every dollar that they have and there is nothing left at the end of the day. it is almost how we feel is the american people watching us. they are just waiting our money while they are fighting. >> where has everyone been the last two years? that is the biggest problem. can you get to economize everyone feels okay with? a really good compromise from both parties is important. it is an actual compromise. an amicable resolve. i think sitting here watching the news, sitting in sending an agreement, who knows what would happen? time is ticking. tracy: have there been any glaring mistakes that they have made in the compromising process? >> well, i think that people are coming from a viewer standpoint, they are saying, okay, if you're not showing all your cards. we were going behind closed d
" with liz claman. liz: the fiscal cliff talk is everywhere, always good to be hearing about lately, but is there really something else that can be bubbling under the surface that could send the market into a tailspin that we should be talking about now? join me in a fox business exclusive, 2003 nobel laureate in economics and nyse will institute director. he has a whole institute for volatility. spotting risk. we thought let's bring you in and talk about noo the fiscal cliff of the three hidden risks people should be talking about but aren't. how did you identify them? >> there are lots of things people worry about, but which of the really big ones and what kind of a timefram time frame ae talking about? decade?out next week or next we talk about the big risk to have to look further in the future. liz: the next year or so? 20 years, 50 years perhaps. number three. you say it's all the unfunded pension liability risk globally, how is that a hidden risks? >> there are pension funds like social security which are not well funded in the future, that is one of the big topics of the fisc
away in lansing. let me ask you, jessica, the fiscal cliff is something we have been talked about each and every day here on cnn, the president met with the speaker of the house and am i correct, has it been about a year since the two of them had a one on one face to face, so what are we learning detailwise from the meeting? >> the bottom line is the status appears to remain at stalemate. the white house is eressing the view that the president believes it is still possible to get to a deal, but they want to hear more -- they want to hear specifics from republicans on revenue and they have not heard that. that's what the white house was saying before the deal -- before the meeting last friday they were saying this. the speaker's office is saying they still want to hear from the white house on more details on spending cuts, also that is what the speaker's office was saying before the meeting last friday. so the message today is exactly what it was last friday. the meeting happened yesterday. on sunday. so we are where we were. does that mean that nothing happened in the meeting? no, ther
, andrew. >> let's talk about the fiscal cliff. i want to talk to you specifically about something else going on in the washington. you were no fan of the president in the run up to the election and there were so many people on wall street who frankly were not fans and were outspoken about it. now, there seems to be a move afoot within washington and some level on wall street to try to mend those fences. what's going on? can you take us behind the scenes a little bit? >> i think it's pretty clear we're supposed to be one country. we have a new president, we have a four year run and i think people have to find some common ground. i think the president is reaching out pretty aggressively in the context of trying to make connections to the other side to get a budget deal done which i think he's really very committed to wanting to do. >> when you look at the election results, and you look at where we are in this conversation about the fiscal cliff and raising taxes, do you say to yourself, that he has a mandate to raise tax rates or not? >> well, geez, i think he thinks he does in a certain
going over the fiscal cliff and something technical comes out in the unemployment rate drops for some reason. ashley: let's hear from the man himself, mr. bernanke. >> good afternoon. it has been about three and a half years since the economic recovery began. the economy continues to expand at a moderate pace. unfortunately however unemployment remains high. about 5 million people, more than 40% of the unemployed have been without a job for six months or more. millions more who say they would like full-time work an have only found part-time employment or stop looking entirely. the conditions in the job market now show waste of human and economic potential. return to broad-based prosperity will require sustained improvement in the job market which in turn requires stronger economic growth. meanwhile apart from some temporary fluctuations largely reflected swings in energy prices, it is likely to run at or below the federal market committee's 2% objective in coming quarters over the longer term. against a macroeconomic backdrop includes high unemployment and subdued inflation, the fomc
respond said fiscal cliff, that sounds like something i probably studied in school. no. this is new. this is something that they've just fresh baked up for us. >> brian: this generation made it up! >> gretchen: they'll be paying for it. >> steve: for a long, long time. our children and children's children, consider the amount of dent this president has run up. this could be good news. the president of the united states did speak with speaker boehner yesterday on the phone. we know nothing about the call except they talked on the phone. we do know that the last offer, the counteroffer was made by the republicans. they're waiting for the white house. the white house at the same time says come on, we don't have another counteroffer because your last offer was a stinker. you, republicans, need to come up with a new one. >> gretchen: the thing is, they're playing hard ball right now. the white house has sent out tim geithner, the treasury secretary, instead of the president actually, to lead the negotiations and when he was asked yesterday in an interview, tim geithner, that is, whether
the fiscal cliff? >> it reminds me about something i probably learned in school. but some type of cliff, the economy going pow. >> isn't that the government? this is embarrassing. >> brian: how many people really know what it is and what it means? we hit the streets. >> steve: indeed, and bob costas and his no spin zone to defend his half time gun control rant. what did he say and what does former nfl player think? he will join us live to react this hour. "fox & friends" hour two for thursday starts right now. >> gretchen: i thought the same thing that scarlet johansson was in times square answering ainsley's question. i thought what, a lucky day for steve and brian that yesterday they would have petra and today scarlet. >> brian: and the day before, victoria secret models. >> gretchen: what a week! >> steve: one of the young people when did respond said fiscal cliff, that sounds like something i probably studied in school. no. this is new. this is something that they've just fresh baked up for us. >> brian: this generation made it up! >> gretchen: they'll be paying for it. >> steve: fo
they have been hearing about higher taxes. i do think with all of the media coverage of the fiscal cliff, consumers are starting to recognize that there is something going on. i think people are more aware. i still think those people feel like something will get done at the last minute. i think they are aware that there are some risks out there. melissa: michelle, you are fantastic. thank you so much. >> thank you. take care. adam: some people think investing sometimes is too good to be true. what is the government's (in nailing steve cohen? charlie: i do not think people are focused on the fiscal cliff. they will not be focused until you see the market sell off. the market believes there will be a deal. until the market trade-off -- adam: we have a guest who will be talking about that a little later on as we get closer to the end of the year. the investigation is still underway. charlie: when you see the market trade-off you watch people freak out. interesting thing about steve cohen, there is no more remarkable trader out there than this guy. say what you want to about him. if you look
12% this year. so, what could go wrong? fiscal cliff. this is something weighing op consumer sentiment and we're starting to see it in the weekly -- look at this -- 39% said it would affect it some. they don't seem to have much faith in congress to fix it and any time except 11th hour and maybe a week into the new year and there's this payroll tax holiday that most people have been enjoying now for well over a year. almost two years now. it's about 20 for somebody who earns say $50,000, but they're getting extra because the payroll tax deduction has been changed a little. they're getting a break on that. but that goes away, people are going to have less money in their paycheck. i've been hearing from dwsh stating that theory re tayloi t they're concerned. a lot of people buy their holiday presents based on taxes and no one is really certain what is going on. >> yeah, absolutely. all right. christine romans for us this morning in new york. thank you, christine. >>> well, he is college football's most inspirational figure and his story is much different than most young men who
. another day where the markets are waiting for some clear sign on something. whether it's the fiscal cliff, the fed meeting. what are the proceed right now? >> we've got bob from s&p capital iq. steven wood and gordon shallop. great to have you all on the show. you normally get the priority of speaking first. what are you doing right now? >> right now we're anticipating for volatility. we knew it was going to be a volatile fourth quarter. there's a lot of policy induced volatility. that said, the economy in the united states has not changed that much. it's grinding along. that recovery we've been talking about for a long time. so it's measurably positive, not robustly positive. that's kind of doing battle with just about offsetting some of the policy risk. >> the fear is all that changes if we go over the cliff. >> it would. right now the forecast is there's some compromise. there's a short-term compromise. they buy time. and they use that to get the silhouette of a grand bargain. if they use the time well, the markets could like that. if we do go off the cliff, that's 8% of gdp. >> what's
to support a compromise on the fiscal cliff. immelt knows about something about taking the heat. in our interview friday, he spoke at length about the consequences of not making a deal. and for those who say we can go over the fiscal cliff and it might not be such a bad thing, you say? >> i say there are people that don't have anybody that works for them. you know, in other words, we haven't been on this for two weeks or two days or two months. we've been working on this for 2 1/2 years. what happened in july of 2011 was ugly. i read stories now that say, you know, the president lost, or he shouldn't have done this. or speaker boehner did that. they both failed. you know, nobody won on that moment in time. it made us -- it hurt us inside and outside the country. so i would say that if this goes into next year, we ought to consider that failure. we ought to get these guys to do a deal that they know we can do and we've got to get them to do it now. and this is not just jeff immelt at ge speaking. this is really, i would say, the business community almost universally speaks with one voice
as the fiscal cliff. were talking about using something is coming, you think that is good news. >> there is always the inside game and the outside game. they will talk to their base and their constituents. they have to get something by the 18th which is next tuesday so they can vote an on it. the matter what it is, something will be coming out of there. nicole: something will be better than nothing out of washington. that is the latest. he sounds pretty happy at least at the moment. today he is positive. tracy: here is a glass half full. we will take it. ashley: thanks, guys. looking at the old tea leaves of what is going to happen with speaker boehner taking the house floor with 20 days until we fall off the fiscal cliff he says it is time for president obama to get serious. really? rich edson in d.c. for all of this. >> actually somebody has to be positive, right? in d.c. we are not getting it right now. sources are looking at these meetings and saying there is essentially no move in it the last couple of weeks or so. house speaker john boehner confirms that on the house floo
cliff and what will be an agreement, ifs reached, that'll amount to something in the neighborhood of a couple trillion dollars. >> and the forced union states are looking for tte federal government to bail them out. but more important than that, the dems, the democrats don't want to lose the forced union states -- lou: well, i'm not talking about the forced union states now, i'm talking about every state in the union. and the fact is that we're talking about unfunded ppnsion liabilities of $4 trillion, mallory. and -- >> but much worse in the forced unions. lou: excuse me, if i may finish. >> i'm sorry. lou: $4 trillion that no one is paying attention to, how will it be resolved? >> it's tough to resolve, but it's much worse. the point i was trying to make is it's much worse in the forced uniin states, much worse. it's almost double. that's one of the issues. we're going to have a big problem resolving that. it's going to be a major problem with services that are absolutely necessary not being able to be kept up because of all these pensions that are unfunded. lou: all right. mall
and fiscal cliff was mentioned in the release. it's become something carl that we are expecting in every release that we see. >> we do have a couple of seconds to point out that last night in cable fax awards, two nights ago, you were named to the hall of fame. >> yes, thank you very much. kind of proud, i dedicated by admission to mark haines who put me on tv. when david and joe would do "squawk box," he put me on tv. and mark was inducted into the hall of fame last year, because he said there's room for like guys that were bald and fat. right then i was trading at 2.15. now it's a point lower. >> no free passes. >> well deserved, congratulationings from all of us. you're going to stick arounder for lululemon. >> speaking of which, coming up, the ceo of lululemon will talk to us about the holiday season. and apple, a slide back into u.s. territory. [ male announcer ] when a major hospital wanted to provide better employee benefits while balancing the company's bottom line, their very first word was... [ to the tune of "lullaby and good night" ] ♪ af-lac ♪ aflac [ male announcer ] fi
to go off of the fiscal cliff . so would that be something that would factor in to trying to make progress in the first year of the term? >> yeah, that is a big gammle. it is being. either it is going to work and the republicans are going to come back and negotiate with him. or set us off in another recession and derail the second term before it starts. the president is taking a gammle there. it is posturing now. that is a big issue. either he will get entitlement reform and fiscal cliff done or go off of the tracks and he might not recover from it. >> gretchen: there is another scandal that happened before the election and still out there with a lot of unanswered questions. i am talking about benghazi, libya where four americans were murdered. news that the president may nominate united states un ambassador susan rice to secretary of state. how do you think it will play out? >> nomination fights to begin a second term is not a good thing. fdr needed senate approval and that derailed his first. president bush had the fight with john tower in the first term. not a great way to star
and house speaker boehner are talking, but there is still no word of progress on the so-called fiscal cliff or the president's ultimatum. silence indicate a deal in the works or something too ugly for them to contemplate?@ we'll have the latest for you from the white house. white house correspondent ed henry here in just moments, but, first, the money line in hoping washington might get a deal done driving a modestly bullish mood on wall street at the end of the session. investors cheering news in a decline in jobless claims, and household wealth in the country grew by $1.7 trillion, to the highest level in five years, talk about a positive indicator for consumer purchasing. the dow jones industrial up 40 points, the s&p up five, and nasdaq rose 15.5 points. volume? a billion shares lighter than yesterday, but above the average of 3.1 billion trading on the board today. apple rebounded from yesterday's worst date performance in four years, a gain of $8.45 today with the ceo saying apple will move imac computer production to the country in the new year. garmin stock higher to replace rr donl
to discuss the fiscal cliff tug-of-war is a democrat from new york state, senior house of the financial services committee, representative meeks, good to have you with us. let's turn to entitlement spending. that is of high importance in solving the fiscal cliff negotiations and in a longer term way bringing the country to a sustainable fiscal course. what specific changes to medicare or medicaid would you be willing to imbraes today right new that would slow the growth in our medical spenting? >> i'm not going to debate the specifics on television. i think that what the president is doing, is clear that he has indicated that we have to raise the tax rate. the tax rates, bush tax cuts, was temporary in nature. >> that's not what i asked. i asked what specific would you be willing to do to address what is clearly the number one thing that is going to blow the hole in not only the economy but federal spending, federal budget over the next generation. >> what we have to do is negotiate. everything should be on the table. i think the president indicated that everything would be on the table
. >> this could be another negotiating chip in the fiscal cliff. harry reid's threat. it could be something to try to get more tax increases out of the republicans. megyn: interesting. this is a huge deal back in '06. you haven't heard as much about it now that the shoe is on the other foot. the democrats find themselves in the minority they play rue the day harry reid pushed this through. new questions how to tell if someone is too high to drive. now that marijuana is legal for recreational use in two states, authorities are trying to figure out what the legal limit should be for getting behind the wheel after you toke up. this is why. video of a crash that look the lives of four teenagers. prosecutors say the 17-year-old driver was high on marijuana when he got behind the wheel. it happened on long island in october. the driver took a curb at 110 miles an hour. crossed three lanes of traffic and skidded into trees, one of whicher to the car in half. he survived but his friend did not. the new marijuana law weren't into effect in the state. people can smoke for recreational purposes. that means a
to look at because they're going to solve the fiscal cliff issue, but after it is done you will see some serious selling pressure here. david: we will come back to you when the s&p futures close to get a peek into what might happen tomorrow. liz: what an interesting day with bizarre behavior with the market. senior managing director joining us along with profits investors and portfolio manager. you have been a little bit more bearish all along, but i guess any downside to what you see the fed announced today, people worried about tying into the 6.5% unemployment, are we missing something here? >> the fed is being way too transparent. liz: do you think he talks too long? >> he had the stage and everybody will be paying attention to every utterance, but the half-life is getting shorter and shorter. this one is an hour or two. so far the annual yearly high. i expect that we'll still be the annual high, and i expect we will have challenges from here because the fed is giving up the ghost on the political forces fixing anything substantive on the fiscal side and giving up in terms of the econ
that that is the biggest problem facing us. either go over the cliff or come up with something with real solutions. >> rich peterson, let me get your take on earnings in 2013. we know the expectations on the economy if we go over the fiscal cliff, that the economy will see a contraction of a couple of percentage points. where are you on earnings for 2013, what are your expectations? >> maria, look at the s&p numbers, looking for a slow single digit percentage gains. for this period of the fourth quarter looking for gains in telecommunications and financials. i think the critical part, investors ought to be very keen just to weigh in the risk, you know, and the fact they had a very rewarding year in 2012, we were up about 12% on the s&p 500. earnings will be very much held captive by the fact that the uncertainty not only about the fiscal cliff but debt ceiling. >> very quickly, john, we're lose altitude in this market rapidly. what do you make of this, and what are you expecting to close here? >> just shows you how fragile our markets r.one comment out of washington can take profits off the table intraday.
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. with the fiscal cliff -- with that feeling debacle, i think it was the lasttraw. people felt thewere just too entranced and. charles: here is the thing. we are not the country that needs to be. we have $16 trillion in debt. forget about the people with the pom-poms. our situation is awful. isn't there a need for a group of regular citizens to voice their discontent with the ida. our children and grandchildren don't have any shot at reclaiming the glory that was once everybody. >> i think what you just said it describes how most of the country feels. everyone is concerned about that. there is room for people that will hold people accountable. what happened with the tea party is they realllly weren't holding everybody accountable as much as being extremely partisan and a sense of being so intel obama -- anti-obama. but i think that there has to be a sort of allowance. i am not putting this just on the tea party. you get these ideological purists who want all or nothing. that is just not the way the country works. so i think you have to find middle ground. charles: i have to tell you something.
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to actually get something done to avoid the fiscal cliff. >> and what's going on in those negotiations that we don't know. >> exactly. so we going to talk to the man who may know right? >> the man who's wired in washington. >> exactly. bob woodward knows the white house and he's covering washington for years. he'll be on later this morning. >> announcer: this portion of "cbs this morning" sponsored by international delight coffee creamers. what's your i.d.? who thinks two is better than one? so all of you do. yes, for sure. now what's better? being able to shoot two lasers out of both of your eyes at the same time or just one laser out of one eye? [ all kids ] two! [ moderator ] okay, why? if it's just one beam -- okay, it does a little bit of damage. two beams -- it will make something explode! and that's more fun? yeah! and it's more powerful you're saying? yeah! [ male announcer ] it's not complicated. doing two things at once is better. and only at&t's network lets you talk and surf on your iphone 5. ♪ ♪ online outfit piccolo headphones buy now broadway show meg
talked is all these companies are fast tracking dividends to be the fiscal cliff clock. is that spurring people to get off of the sidelines and trade stocks? they see any change or trend? >> reality on something like that, and the entire market was well aware of where obama was headed and once he won the election it was a reaction in the market. the client base is difficult to make the right decision, you don't know what the facts are. will be a question later on. there has not been a lot of trading in dividend stocks and because of the reason for that, an overriding concern what is going on with the fiscal cliff. people waiting to find out what is going to happen. liz: from your perspective and you guys are among the biggest, you're not seeing people jumping in and saying these companies are paying out early dividends. >> as far as our client buying or selling, no. the rationale is simple. you don't know what the rate is going to be an don't know what your tax is going to be and if that is the reason you bought the stock to begin with it might make sense if it goes up 5%, won't makes se
, that is why we are not getting some of the movement which is movement on the fiscal cliff front or the economic directly saying the upside is warranted. david: they were thinking of apple as utility, something where people were betting on one of the reasons it has come down a lot because a lot of the margin bets made on apple are now disallowed because it is no longer a sure thing. it's what is happening to apple significant for all? >> what i would say is apple is the stock to watch tomorrow.3 there could be some considerations were they move their experiments but the long and short of it is tomorrow apple has closed on its lows. this could be an opportunity, this washed out all of those you just discussed that were leveraged, washing those out and could see tomorrow institutions come in because they would have to be helped. david: nothing is a sure thing. we learned that housing and now with apple. liz: he says watch for a bounce tomorrow, we will see if he is right. david: let's bring in the market panel. he is active etf comanager and the capital market research director. go
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're going to have the issues of the fiscal cliff. i would say for something like mcdonald's, though, it does historically trade with a staple and could benefit from consumer tradedown. i would be less concerned about it specifically for that company. but you are right, we do continue to see declining trends in cruise, and las vegas gambling, and other segments we do cover. >> specifically on the restaurants, it was raised by the journal over the weekend, is there a structural change now, having gone throthe recession about the willingness of people to pay for this sort of luxury? do you think that we've had a substantial change that could last for years? >> i think people have better options. they have anything from the salad bar at whole foods. they can trade up, they can trade down. they have very good options for eating at home. i think the problem is, that the pie isn't growing that much. you have about a half a point of population growth. and you have expansion in all types of food categories. that competes for people's dollars. you're right, people are pretty value sensitive and they'r
to the fiscal cliff. >> no news. zip. still no agreement. we'll let you know if something significant happens. >>> developing now, hugo chavez undergoing surgery in cuba today. an operation that we're told was quote/unquote delicate. his health is a bit of a mystery, but we do know he had surgery last year to remove a cancerous tumor. still not yet clear what kind of operation he had today. updates as we get them. >>> broad daylight, on a crowded new york sidewalk, someone walks up to a man and shoots him, point blank range. today, a race for answers. i'm brooke baldwin. the news is now. >>> move over, america. a sobering new report suggests china is getting ready to surpass the u.s. economy. >>> plus -- >> this is the place where lisa was buried. >> cnn goes inside the search for da vinci's famous muse. ♪ ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪ [ male announcer ] oh what fun it is to ride. get the mercedes-benz on your wish list at the winter event going on now through december 31st. [ santa ] ho, ho, ho! [ male announcer ] lease a 2013 e350 for $579 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. [ sniffs ]
the significant consequences of falling often the fiscal cliff, you'd think the president would have an interest in finding a solution to the crisis, however it's becoming increasingly obvious that something is standing in the way. what could it be? what is it that's preventing the president from negotiating or offering up meaningful concessions? it may be obama's arrogance. watch this. >> when you talk about the feeling at the white house, there's a palpable difference now compared to 2011, the summer of 2011. they are so much cockier at the white house a year and a half ago. you know, you come to us, we're not going to negotiate. we're not going to keep putting out more proposals. >> sean: my next guest argues that it's time for republicans to stop trying to cut through the president's arrogance, walk away from the negotiating table. i've been saying that on this program. in fact, congressman allen west recently told the great one, mark levin, that it's silly to work with someone that's a marksist socialist ideolog. colonel, i don't remember that you said marksist socialist before. >> when you
minutes. i think we have all of the fiscal cliff to death. fiscal could fatigue. fed up with tooling politicians. the holidays are upon us. so i am going to pass judgment on something entirely different. i'm going off the financial reservation. here is my take on tattoos. i hate them. i am contentious of them. they don't decorate the human body, the pilot. those judges should jump on the bandwagon are at best misguided. do you really think the 20 years from now you will still love sally heard johnnie? because that name is still buying to be on your arm or your back or ross you decide but it. i remember being in a whole food store. she was 20 at most. she was wearing a look at top from 20 yards away you could read the tattoo that spread all across her chest. it read begin. huge global letters. it will never go away. whether or not she ever it's a stake or eight again. why mark yourself alive tonight why put an ugly blotch understand? by the way, over time most tattoos eventually start to look like a bruise. for some reason the urge to markers of has become fashionable on last 45 years
have something to do with the fiscal cliff. there's a bit of a slowdown there. the economy is moving along, not as robustly as they'd like it to be, which is why they extend this to make money cheaper. >> what does that mean for businesses in terms of confidence? >> the first gauge we get is to see how markets are doing. there's a bit of a rally on the stock market as a result. you can never trust what happens immediately after these announcements because it could be traders doing things. dow subpoena a quarter there. you can see 27 basis points right now. what it means is the same thing it meant until now. we have long-term low interest rates. it's cheap to borrow money in america. it's not necessarily easy it to borrow money. lending standards are still high, and many businesses as we have seen that either have cash or access to credit are not making decisions until they have some certainty about what government is going to do. we may get that certainty as soon as we get a fiscal cliff deal, maybe january or february by the time we know what will happen. that could work. if everybo
? >> i am very confident that we will at birth the fiscal cliff. the only issue is how much of this will we get done. >> i am not at all confident, actually. just hearing what adam said does not make me any more confident. it is on schedule to rock itself and very, very soon. when i hear this kind of stuff that we are trying to push granny over the cliff, that is absolute garbage and that will not take a deal. we have to reduce the deficit. you have to do that by reforming medicare and medicaid. you have to deal with all of them. when i hear my democrat colleagues say maybe we will do something with medicare card ten years away, that will not work. connell: we will wrap it up for today. thank you to both of you. >> thank you. dagen: investors suffering from a little fiscal cliff fatigue. kevin flanagan says do not look away. this could look really ugly. hey, kevin. looking at the yield on the ten year period about 1.65%. it does not look like there has been any serious market reaction . what could happen if we get to this deadline and nothing happens? >> the treasury market
in washington. speak up for the fiscal cliff is part of the half trillion dollars in cuts to the pentagon. the defense has been saying we will not plan for sequestration's because they don't want to be cautious because it is like a gun to the head. they're now looking into planning for this because we are getting pretty late, and that may become a reality. back to you. melissa: rich edson, thank you so much. lori: let's continue this discussion. it is going to happen, it is exactly what the democrats want. according to scott hodge of the tax foundation. what are some alternatives to raising revenue? joining me with some ideas. to your point, you're written quite extensively on this topic. it seems the economy is poised to fall off the cliff and that's what the democrats and the president wants to happen. >> they want to allow all the bush tax cuts to expire. it happens naturally automatically. they don't even have to vote for it. in january we had to lower taxes for everybody. getting it very simply. lori: a lot of people are concerned. if we do go over the cliff, there's no resolution fo
it is today. everyone is this availing the economic data and the fiscal cliff. what is more important is how the jobs data affect negotiations on the fiscal left. it is up for jobs report tomorrow it will affect the negotiations and there will be urgency to get something done because everyone concerned about getting jobs. it nicole: everyone is concerned about jobs. back to you. ashley: thank you so much. back in 15 minutes. like a rudderless ship floating in the ocean, the markets description of the day. tracy: poetic. this is not. housing and urban development secretary shaun donovan on hot seat on capitol hill is grilled on the f h a and whether taxpayers foot the bill for multibillion-dollar bailout. gerri willis has this story. we have been waiting for this. gerri: that is will be looking at. off the top of my head. shakespeare is clocking in his grave right now. ashley: quite an image of. gerri: let's talk about fha and how much trouble they are in. they guarantee the mortgage loans. not that they are actually making them but the agency has lost $70 billion of loans in two years, 2007-
lawmakers don't get it together soon. president obama saying now a deal to avoid the so-called fiscal cliff could be about a week away. there is just one catch. he says republicans have to accept the, quote: reality as he puts it that tax rates are going up for the richest americans. something g.o.p. leaders are calling a deal breaker. >> we're not insisting on rates just out of spite or out of any kind of partisan bickering. but rather because we need to raise a certain amount of revenue. we can probably solve this. it's not that tough. but we need that conceptual break through that says we need to do a balanced plan. >> we made a good faith offer to avert the fiscal crisis and that offer included significant spending cuts reforms and it included additional revenue. and frankly, it was a balanced approach mr. president has been asking for. now we need a response from the white house. >> they have 27 days to prevent automatic tax hikes and spending cuts from kicking in on new year's day. ed henry live at the white house for us. ed, we are hearing the president and house speaker john boehne
, the house and the white house, we hope that negotiations continue over the fiscal cliff. i want to ask you about the idea being discussed that raising the debt ceiling could be something that would be taken out of congress's purview andessential, for the president alone to make that decision, what do you make of that? >> insofar as we for talking about legislation, politically that, idea has to be deads on arrival. i don't know why congress would part with this, given to congress. this is an unwise proposal and not one that i see getting any traction. >> do you think that it is a broader, sort of look at different moves we have seen by this administration, to essentially go around congress, whether it comes to regulations or treaties or things that, in some ways have limited or no congressional intercention -- intervention, big policy decisions that impact americans as a whole. >> if it's an instance of the president's go-it-alone policy without congressional authorization, constitutionally, he is on the weakest possible ground. there is nothings in the constitution that can be read to the
this discussion, this economy gets to the fiscal cliff and the more american jobs are placed in recession. >> if something goes wrong, the fed has no arrows left in its quiver. >> we're checking our lists as the "squawk on the street" countdown to christmas continues. ho, ho, ho. ♪ >> andrew ross sorkin is bringing lloyd blankfein on stage. let's take a look. here's goldman sachs ceo lloyd blankfein. >> a number of people have touched on the fiscal cliff, and i wanted to start with that, but in a different way with you this morning, in that you have been active in washington over the past couple of weeks and all this. you've been on the phone with the white house. i've read reports that you were on the phone with the white house earlier this week. just if you could, take us behind the scenes. what goes on on these conference calls with the business community? sort of what do you see actually happening right now? >> i don't want to oversell this. i was on a couple of conference calls that the white house had with myself and other people who participated in meetings at the white house. i
're not having a conversation about spending. the republicans and democrats alike designed the fiscal cliff. it's a series of bipartisan compromises and i think it's kind of foolish to think that this group of congressmen and senators is going to come up with a way out of something they themselves designed. >> rich, you worked for a republican speaker who went up against a democratic president over the spending issues. back then the face-off didn't turn out all that well for your party. obviously very difficult era. do you agree with eric's take? is the right strategy for republicans to stick to their guns, forget about compromise? >> no. i really don't -- eric is one of my favorite people. we talk a lot. but i think that, and i did work for the speaker gingrich during the shut-down fight in '96, and it did not work out well for republicans. the president has a much bigger bully pulpit than the speaker does. newt gingrich's bully pulpit was pretty big back in those days but at some point, republicans in the house -- and i think boehner is trying to look for ways to do this, speaker boehner, tha
. >> some say it's not the end of the world if we go over the fiscal cliff but some say it could thrust us back into recession. what do you think will happen? >> i don't think there's a cliff in the sense that all of a sudden tomorrow something dramatic happens. i think stock markets sometimes react quickly, but for the most part, whether it's going to be a recession or not is a much more long, drawn-out process. but i would say that it's not a good idea to raise anyone taxes and that the marketplace does not differentiate whether you take the money from rich people, poor people or middle class. the marketplace says if you are going to take $800 billion, are you taking it out of the private sector, the productive sector, and are you going to give it to the nonproductive sector in washington? basically the sector of people who are always messing up things in the marketplace? are you going to do that? if you are going to do that, it's a bad idea no matter whether it's rich people, middle class or poor. doesn't matter. if you take money out of the private sector, it's a bad idea. >> well, it'
. and -- >> but for everybody to -- to do that, to say we have to go over this fiscal cliff -- >> we don't have to -- >> in order so that everybody -- >> you could have legislation ready to introduce that week. >> congressman hensarling, before you go, something like that, would -- i mean i hear this from both sides, that if we just go over the president would introduce this legislation to lower rates, republicans who have signed grover norquist's pledge would be able to go along with that and say this is what we did. i didn't vote to raise taxes, i voted to lower taxes. is that the most likely scenario? >> makes sense? >> i'm not a las vegas bookie so i'm not going to say what is most likely scenario. i don't know and my crystal ball is a little fuzzy. again all this talk of taxes is marginally irrelevant. you give the president all of the tax increases that he has requested it's roughly about 23% of his ten-year spending budget. even 1.6 trillion. at most is maybe, 22%, 23%. the additional -- >> but going over that cliff, that's real money. and by the way, that's not that revenue thing. that'
the fiscal cliff at the end of the year, we are in for a big stock market. i like that. chief investment officer joins us now. thanks, hitting the market actually believes we will come to a deal. >> absolutely. you get this sense it doesn't really wants to sell off even with all this uncertainty with both sides going back and forth, are we talking, are we not talking. the market seems to be creeping higher, seems to be seen through what is traditional political rhetoric and grandstanding and recognizing a deal will be done. ashley: it is one thing to get a deal, one other thing to get a bad one. even though we did not follow the cliff, we are stuck with a lot of bad decisions. >> even in a bad deal, tracy, one thing we can say is certainty will replace uncertainty. that is a big headwind for this economy. all of this uncertainty throughout the second half of this year, all of 2012 will be replaced with certainty and that should unleash pent-up demand when we see it in the construction, in capital spending, housing improving, certainty replacing uncertainty will be a big theme in 2013. tr
of the campaign to reach out to the american people to make his case about the need to avoid going over the fiscal cliff and what his solution to that is. that would require that the top 2% of americans pay higher taxes. that is something he's been talking with republicans in congress about and believes is nonnegotiable. shaking hands there, and we're looking at the venue as well. that's where he's going to be speaking at the auto plant at the top of the hour. also saw the president last night at the christmas in washington charity concert in d.c. that event was hosted by conan o'brien and featured the legendary diana ross and psy, who was greeted by the president. the president did not attempt psy's signature dance, gangnam style. they were talking yesterday, but the president did suggest he thinks he can do it. he thinks he can do that dance. we're going to see if that actually ever happens. there was some controversy, however. psy apologizing on friday for anti-american rap performance he did eight years ago. it all seems to be patched up and worked out now. >>> also want to tell you about this
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